New Project Reality Engine

[Sadist_Cain]

I'm sorry but PR seems PWNED! lol However I think the devs can come up with some better vehicle models & textures for that :P... fucking hell my kids are gonna play games like that and laugh at me for PR :D

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jJRpegpzO9o

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xRIUcSo0wes&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAWXg8qc_k&feature=related

Yours for only a few thousand, Id'd get version one, thats only a few hundred

10,000Sqkm Maps!!!! farking hell!!!!
If only that was PR....

EDIT. HANG ON! this is what the Arma engine is based on!!! I'm positive, you can see it in the menu command interface, the sounds (apart from the rifles in arma theyre naff) the design . arma must be the civvie version, after all theyre both made by the same people :P

[Sadist_Cain]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N7JfZzZcmiI&feature=related

0_0 ok.... quite disturbed by the youths of today. Thats a bit too real I would say... though something tells me we'll see more things like this (especially in big tourneys) As video games start moving towards the morality question (such as Bioshock, Manhunt 2)

Not that I say this is a bad thing, However I'd call it disgusting to overlay genuine terrorist audio, but hey Devs did it with the JDAM... (see what I'm saying here? :P) Just seems to be becoming more and more apparent in todays world education of lifes n00bs (or children as some call them) is very important with regards to what they see on TV and on computer games and how to handle and approach the situation.

I refer to a friend of my sister and I quote "Oh I didn't know it was a bad game until I saw him playing it I took it off him and didn't let him have it back, I felt like complaining"
That's what she said when she baught her 6 yr old GTA san andreas :rolleyes: I mean the 18 tag and the description was a clue, its scarface in a computer game and until they ban scarface the film the shouldnt ban games like it.
In the right context some of these moral questions can help one to learn about ones own morality. when under pressure to achieve the goal how will you act? Games these days are getting more and more into the Mature realms of thinking and decision making and I think it's important in todays world for parents to distnguish the difference between games for kids and adults.

Older folk seem to think all games are for kids, then they wonder how their son knows at 8yrs old that if he bangs a hooker and beats her up after he can get more money back.

Lotsa respect for parents who game, it gives a much needed perspective on todays modern world.

[commando-101]

Very true Cain

My kids sorta hate it I game cause I know all the ins & outs - i.e they can't explain themselves away if they get caught doing someit naughty on the PC.

I use that cyberpatrol thingy & a few other lockdowns that control their puter use

I let them play FPS such as Bf2 as it's just an modern form of war games that I played as a kid however the line gets drawn at senseless games which exert a bad influence over them - u mentioned a couple Cain.

Anyhows, they get kicked out to play when appropriate & would certainly not be allowed to spend all night on a game.....thats allowed when they get older as it's much better with beer & pizza!;)

[Sadist_Cain]

Exactly!! *****BIOSHOCK SPOILER ALERT!!!***** right at the end you meet Andrew Ryan the fella youve been guided to by youre friend Atlas to kill as hes destroyed rapture and killed his family etc etc etc
Along the way you meet little sisters who have Adam which allows upgrades and modifications and you can either kill them and get lotsa adam or not kill them and get little adam.
Right at the end you find out Atlas isnt who he says he is and youve been under mind control the whole time to go kill andrew ryan, the game feeling very open ended youre left at the end in a cut scene where you're beating Ryan senseless with a golf club (Very graphic!) to him saying "A man chooses!" which eventually becomes a gargle. Leaves you questioning did you really need to do all of that? could you of done it differently if you could try again? yes and the game lets you do that, but even that ending screwed me up for an afternoon. Something I think a 13-16yr old can laugh at and say how cool, showing they truely dont get the whole point.

All I can remember is at the end goin SHIT! noooo dont kill him stop stop stop bugger!!!!!! dammit! why did I kill him?!? because the game told me to? I didnt have to... Did I? then why did I do it? AARRRGH!!!!

[Gunwitch]

I'm lucky in a way. My 16yr old lives with her mum and the less i know of her antics online the better. But my 3 and 1 yr old, i've got the time to educate on games and the internet. My 3 yr old knows i play games and watches sometimes, and yes she even manages to spot the tanks, apc's, helicopters etc and then giggles when i get shot. But i explain to her it's a game and not real. I figure doing this at this stage when she's taking notice of her nearly 40 yr old daddy playing games, that it will instill in her the difference between reality and games.

However, over laying terrorist voice overs, whether real or not is tantamount to inciting violence in children. Dare i say it, the 9/11 bombers were trained using microsoft flight sim.

The trouble today is that as each generation gets more aware and matures earlier (to some degree) so do tastes. Some people can differentiate between reality and imagination.

Games don't kill people or incite violence, people do.
Everyone has a choice and it's down to each parent to try and make the right choices for your children.

[thedoombringer0]

yeah i looked at some of those vids and wow pretty impressive but seems a bit complicated to play pr anyday for me

[Heskey]

I'm no parent, but from what I hear about them in my time, some of them are too strict when it comes to gaming and hang too much on this 'bad influence' thing.

Someone once complained on the Oblivion forums, back when it was new that the game had caused a very awkward situation where his 10 yr old son asked what necrophilia was when it was mentioned in-game; if he's playing an 18+ game, he shouldn't let his son in earshot; or just use headphones (£4, TESCO!!!!!)

On the OTHER extreme, someone I knew in college earlier this year told me (Bare in mind, this boy is 18) that his mum won't let him buy GTA because it influences criminal behaviour.

I'm sorry, but I fucking love the GTA series and I've never done drugs, paid for sex, or any other crime involved in that game - AND I WANT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.

[commando-101]

I mentioned before about a game called world war 2 on line - Gunny has played it too.

This is a good example of be careful what u wish for....

It has a HALF scale map of europe & very team orientated combined arms structure

It employs real balistic calculations & multi crewable vehicles including aircraft & ships.

It is a very hardcore war FPS/sim.

It sounds like a good review however:

The sheer scale of the map makes for some long boring drives/flights/voyages.

The number of players to make it truly epic would be immense - even a few hundred on each side get lost in it!

Games on this scale have graphics not up to expectations & campaigns last for months! - no quick gaming fix there!

All in all I would rather play PR though the bigger maps are my favourite!

[Sadist_Cain]

On the OTHER extreme, someone I knew in college earlier this year told me (Bare in mind, this boy is 18) that his mum won't let him buy GTA because it influences criminal behaviour.

I'm sorry, but I fucking love the GTA series and I've never done drugs, paid for sex, or any other crime involved in that game - AND I WANT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.

Tis the way you're braught up to handle such things, e.g. gunnys daughter watching him on PR, not much gore or anything involved and tis a good way to start that divide between reality and games.
whereas some kiddies who are just thrown games without any guidance on what they are (sounds daft but hey)
Would be interesting to see what your m8 would do if he had GTA :D that whole nature vs nurture thing

[Heskey]

I've been PC gaming without supervision since the age of 9, back when I was in Year 5 at school with Ultima Online (An MMORPG), and even EARLIER than that on the Playstation with Final Fantasy VII, Die Hard Trilogy, GTA1 & 2, and Metal Gear Solid!

I've turned out fine without my parents looking over my shoulder going "That's too violent! I don't want you going taking a gun into school!!!!!!11111"

[Gunwitch]

It all boils down to education. You'll get your groovy parents like me and Commando who watch what our kids do but are careful.
I remember the days of Counterstrike number one or alpha, with the IRA terrorist skin that was soon changed. Being an ex-squaddie and loosing my fair share of mates over NI, didn't make me email the developers and slag them off for having a known and real life terrorist skin.
Loosing some friends to an A-10 strafing run during the gulf war hasn't made me want to contact the makers of lock on or operation flashpoint and slag them off.

Neither have any games i've played ever made me want to go out, sit on top of the york minster and shoot people with a high velocity rifle, or charge around the streets of york with twin uzi's capping chavs left right and centre.

The morons who say "Games influence the young generation" obviously have NO KIDS, are anally retentive and upset their parents weren't happy with their poo, are old and frail and hold a grudge against realistic games or are just shouting for attention. On the same hand the morons who blame games' realism for their actions are looking for the insanity plea to keep them out of jail or borstal.

Games are progressing at a phenomenal rate, the facial features, vehicle and weapon mechanics, are fantastic and they're going to get better.

The other problem is of course our government who as soon as someone is knived scream "BAN KNIVES" or some 16 yr old snot shoots his mate "BAN GUNS". It doesn't work and never will. I've seen someone grab an Ingram Mac11 silencer and custom fit it onto a 9mm pistol, it was used in a shooting where everybody was crowded together and no one heard a bloody thing. These are the people that need policing, the criminal fraternity who drag our kids and friends into the dark parts of the world and teach them it's ok to shoot people and do drugs.

Personally round them up and stick the feckers on an island somewhere where they can take out each other.
My kids are fine, they will learn right from wrong and that games are games and should be left on the computer or down the power cables when you switch the film off.

Rant Over.

No Apologies

[Sadist_Cain]

Remember that vicar fellow who complained about resistance fall of man using a manchester church as a model for a scene for a gunfight?
No one would complain about the hundreds of scenes done in films with churchs will they :rolleyes:

*Hobbles on Zimmer*
"OHhhh The kiddies are shooting each other its those dam video games!"


However as said it all boils down to education, I certainly know some twats older and younger who play games like GTA and take it literally.
I find it very hard to describe but essentially it is the difference between the people who say "Wouldnt it be cool if..." Whilest thinking in game and how to improve the GAME world.
And the others who say "Wouldnt it be cool if..." whilest they mean if they did that act in real life. Of course there are some times when we'll all say that but personally I don't think anyone should say "wouldnt it be cool if..."Reffereing to real life, whilest shooting people.

A perfect example I can think of is being dive bombed on FH2, we sit there and say "woooaa thats frigging cool!" meanwhile I think we all can agree that unless we had to, we wouldnt want to be there at all.
I find it disturbing when talking to some younger gamers how some of them think how cool it really would be to be underneath that with no real thought of reality.

I don't know why I think of this but even whenever I had toy guns my dad made sure I would never aim at people.
Dunno why but because of that I always had in my head this lil feeling whenever playing with toy guns that its just playing, some kiddies whos parents really dont give a dam seem to take up the role of Al Capone a lil too much in their own mind.
So we all grow up and I get a nice powerful air rifle for my birthday :P so when me and my friend would go out with it I'm in control of it, it dosnt point at anyone, the targets were set up with forthought to penetration, deflection etc etc etc

So when my other "friend" :rolleyes: got an air rifle an hes out shooting, hes got a road behind the target for one thing, and when someone was on range moving targets why bother moving the rifle pointing at them? its heavy :rolleyes:
Same bloke got bored with his gun and decided to stuff nails in it and shoot them, 2 shots and the rifling is fucked and the nail jammed in...

Months later in his garage bloke called matt there, Matt says cool you got an air rifle. "yea but its fucked look" he cocks the fucking thing 3 times and fires from about 2 feet away straight at the bloke. Thank christ the nail stayed jammed in there.
My point is that you have the difference between us where theres one kid, plays games, guns etc without being given any info from his parents that they can kill in real life and what the difference is between life and a game etc and just by luck he dosnt fire a nail into someones chest.

Lack of young education leads to a lack of mature knowledge and understanding of the difference between blazing a digigun, playing with toys, and "playing" with the real thing.
(of course I dont mean playing literally but you see my point :P)


So when you get kids overlaying a real terrorist attack on their GAME you have to wonder, Don't they know what that recording actually is? By all means make a groovey terrorist video :P after all its a game, it adds atmosphere and such and its what it's all about. But don't think for a second that a game animation can come close to the effects of a real life death of servicemen.

My posts are always so long cos I can never explain my thoughts properly lol :p too many of them, Hope you guys make sence of that ^^^^

[Sadist_Cain]

The other problem is of course our government who as soon as someone is knived scream "BAN KNIVES" or some 16 yr old snot shoots his mate "BAN GUNS". It doesn't work and never will. I've seen someone grab an Ingram Mac11 silencer and custom fit it onto a 9mm pistol, it was used in a shooting where everybody was crowded together and no one heard a bloody thing. These are the people that need policing, the criminal fraternity who drag our kids and friends into the dark parts of the world and teach them it's ok to shoot people and do drugs.

Personally round them up and stick the feckers on an island somewhere where they can take out each other.
My kids are fine, they will learn right from wrong and that games are games and should be left on the computer or down the power cables when you switch the film off.

Rant Over.

No Apologies


Exactly :D The problems come with parents who dont consider such things, dont consider instilling that sence that a game is a game that's turned off and that reality is very different, has consequences and dosnt just turn off.

With parents who have the mind of "real guns dont exist in england" where's your childs sence of danger between picking up a toy gun and a real one? sure most kids are taught that guns kill, not many are taught that really its people that do.


EDIT My two posts summed up right here *SHORT VERSION* Any kind of stimulae influences us, be it radio, TV, Games adverts whatever. It is education on the real world that determines whether this influence is positive or negative :D (and also whether you believe Nutrilleum is actually a chemical)

[thedoombringer0]

yeah i dont really get all this stuff about bad influence sure when i was 5 i was playing metal gear solid and gta1 and before that i had the super nintendo ah sonic anyways im fine bout it i never had supervision yet im fine with the reality vid game boundry.

[Sadist_Cain]

Just outta curiousity Doombringer what do you make of this video? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N7JfZzZcmiI&feature=related

weve all grown up with a different brand of games than the ones before now, just interested on your perspective on it...