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Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 12:58
Now Spec Ops can attack enemy assets I thought it relevent to give a link to this excellent guide on the Spec Ops PROPER usage as a kit.
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/guide-spec-ops-complete-t29946.html?t=29946&highlight=tactics+teamwork
Seeing as we are a Tactics & Teamwork server I'm feeling on a bit of a role with this one, firstly an RTFM resource... http://www.realitymod.com/forum/advancing-and-retreating-under-t27735.html?t=27735&highlight=tactics+teamwork
Nooooow I'm not going to write any essays myself instead I shall provide a few short links that I think will help new recruits and old ones all get on the same page of what an SL means when he Says "Form a staggered Column on me" and then you can respond when he tells you to change to a broad wedge when you get in the woods And then arrrgh Echalon to the east :P ;)
firstly lotsa vehicles bear in mind the armour values in this guide are different in PR but it gives you an idea where the armour locations are, more complicated than just back n sides ;) It also shows you the one hit kill spots on the tank, Really the most effective place to aim is the turret ring on any tank, this will always cause most damage and often 1 hit kills (T-90FTW :P)
http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/Battlefield_2/Vehicle_hit_points
A good couple of tactics of basic movement against hostile fire, again by Fuzzhead. leapfrogging is an excellent way to move, and should be done with more effectiveness.
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/advancing-and-retreating-under-t27735.html?t=27735&highlight=tactics+teamwork
It may be arma, but these are the best piccis of squad formations I've found http://www.simhq.com/_land2/land_076b.html The Vee is also called the broad wedge, reverse wedge and others
Another formation the british army use if I remember rightly is a brick, as it sounds, a square brick of infantry, very good for staying still and defending or moving through woods where you know the enemie's there, but you dont know where.
A very effective and under used tactic, is the pincer. More effective with two squads but possible with one. If in one squad its best to split the squad so you have the bottom half of 3 on one side, and the top half on the other side. The move is simple you squeeze the target like a lobsters claw, driving yourself in between the enemy force, this regroups your squad in the middle of the now dispersed and confused enemy squad, good position if you use it right.
Radio communiction and protocol is of high importance, and though I do like pissing around and having a laugh as much as any geezer, good radio protocol is of paramount importance. A prime example of this is a squad moving in on an attack marker, once the objective is secure how do we know? If youve moved through the east entrance and its empty, its simple to say "east door clear"
Once on the objective most folk gather together and wait, perhaps aiming at an entrance, the rest of the squad needs to know where you are pointing your gun, so they know where they can point theres.
Ideally you should call out where youre aiming, if an entire squad does this then normally only an idiot will aim in the same place as someone else, so you should hear "north entrance covered"
South side road mined
East door covered
Western gate closed, uncovered
So no I know my squad is watching the east and north, I have mines to the south so vehicles shouldnt worry me too much, but I'll watch out for infantry, and I have a door that is uncovered so perhaps I'll put a C4 booby trap there or just listen for it to blow and turn on it.
Often the SL in a wedge formation will tuck himself in behind the point man leading the formation, I dont know what this is called but it looks like a sort of hook or something...
Soooo guys collaborate I know I go on, so lets have your opinions instead :D
Is this what happens when you're not doing the wacky backy? If so, keep it up :D some good postings
Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 14:22
Just getting started :D
Right had a proper read and digested.
Too much information matey. The only way these will work will be IF you have a decent squad that follows orders and you trust.
On a normal night play i doubt they will work. Yes it worked last night, but that took some doing and then it worked for a while.
Good info and good ideas, don't get me wrong,i just don't think we could get them working properly.
Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 14:40
Ok here we go these are the ones I know of, I could have used paint but i tried typing it in here first but the evil text fiddler wouldnt have it, it looks awful cos its in TXT format but I hope you can figure it out
I reckon the echalon is a bit complicated, however I think MAYBE with 2 T&T members on a squad we can lead our good players by example , I think the idea is easy to catch on as to what is happening e.g. ohhh look its like mighty ducks were in a flying vee :D
and you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure out a line ;)
Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 14:50
First post is mainly a resource, my second is me trying to compress down for PR usage, still think the echalon is rather compicated but hey, all they got to do is make a line and the SL positions himself.
With our sheer number of regulars and members now, once one person knows how to do it, hell know what we mean from then on.
Alll the Paul_von_L's will remember and though somefolk might not have T&T tags on theyll eventually know what we mean, I mean I often have a bloke in my squad one night, who's there again the second when there's another newbie and so on and so forth with a snowball effect.
All it is is where you stand, I'm sure itll catch on :D after all they are very very basic methods of infantry movement, and everyone (who plays a reality devoted military game) can recognise the patterns the SL is trying to form
commando-101
03-12-07, 14:52
Cain for recruitment training & development officer!
Oh, and a quick whip round for a new keyboard given the hammering he is giving his current one!:cool:
Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 14:54
Someone else pic, but same keyboard as mine http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.com/150_0000033926_0000076830.jpg
I need a good weapon for what I do ;) lol
commando-101
03-12-07, 14:55
I have that keyboard too! Don't use the macros really so a bit pointless - looks nice though!
They were all the rage when 2142 came out, all glowy and expensive.
Personally i want a rubber keyboard to save the hammering i'm currently smacking on mine. Tis very noisy at night.
commando-101
03-12-07, 15:01
Back on topic - agree with Gunny - with T&T members all is possible! Pub players somewhat different!
I often split my squad to hit an objective from two angles, ie the bunkers on Kashan (three from the roof & three in the front).
Good thing is that T&T attract good players who enjoy teamwork so it sorta happens naturally.
I think your efforts would be useful for newer players m8 however we don't get them here often!
keep it up though - it stops you stealing cars/smoking crack!
Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 15:02
Never understood the macros, seems only useful for CS, love the volume, gaming switch and glowy bits :P
So what do ya think? I reckon I can have a squad of guys with minimum 2 with mics and 1 maybe 2 people with bad english.
3 up front 2 at back! there you go, reverse wedge formed :D
Form a line! Stagger the line!
You might have to say, you three move out to the right, but theyll see the form, and there set and done.
I sure as hell know that before, had I been on a server where a guy with tags was leading a squad into battle like that, Id definately come back for more, thats one less person to teach.
2 squads led by T&T = 12 people.... so you see the maths starting to build up already?
Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 15:08
newbies dont really need to see that, its more of a referance for us as squad leaders, I once said ages ago that 'tis our duty to get pub n00bs that are still in the vanilla l33tness stages and turn them into good team players.
It isnt that difficult at all as a squad leader to organise a squad thats following you and listening to orders into formation, bear in mind spacings are 2-5 metres, they dont exactly have to be working close, and since spacing needs to be staggered they dont even need to be precise.
What matters is the effect that organising your men into these forms has by getting as many gun bits pointing the right way, and like a said once a few people have experianced our own squads doin this, whos to say a couple of them wont be on the same squad with one leading fighting against us as the enemy?
From small acorns do big trees grow ;)
Have Faith
We do pretty well at the moment, however i can see the benefits of working properly. It will of course, all depend on how involved people want to get.
I'd like to see our squads move as a squad and act. There's already little signs i've noticed when move and covering, exiting vehicles and covering a wide area (nice to hear covering fire reply to my request once or twice aswell).
And we have proved time and again that a good working squad(s) can hold their own and quite effectively hand the l33t kiddies their backsides on a plate
Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 15:24
The reason Im writing this is Because firstly I was crossing the river on ghost train, Had viglen covering one point, once men were on the other side they shouted it as clear, and covered us across.
Watching the battle rec of Qwai, I remeber lying on a hill and telling the squad to follow me in a line, but for the H-AT to follow me We were moving from northwest down onto Gov Offices. looking at it back on battle rec, we moved for hundreds of metres in a beautiful Echalon, It wasnt perfect because I was point man, but I had H-AT behind me and on my right watching for a suspect tank to the north, while the rest of the squad did their natural duckling thing following me, giving themselves maximum effectiveness towards the gov offices as we moved down.
There wasnt any infantry north, we had hostiles south, so all the firepower was where it was needed, and all it would have taken is a couple of guys to follow the H-AT guy without me correcting them, and the formation wouldnt have been, and who knows, maybe a squadmember wldnt have got a shot off that he needed to, killing a medic.
Apart from viglen in the first, that was all public players :D. my point is I didnt even know the names of these formations, they just form out of requirement to a given combat situation. What I'm attempting here is to get all of us T&T members on the same page as to what these formations are, benefits, drawbacks etc so that when were on our server leading squads of pubbies it comes as a more natural, ahhhh we should be in a staggered column here.
If you should be in a staggered column it wont be hard to wiggle your squad members into the right positions as you walk, as long as they know the effect youre after itll happen, like you say commando it'll just happen
Who knows maybe even some regulars will learn the names as we sit there and say "excellent spearhead wedge guys" when they come back for more
Sadist_Cain
03-12-07, 16:13
Leading by example is the best way to go :D remember the days when the server was hardly ever full as a 42 man server?
Look at how far we've come since then and I believe the only way is foreward. We most certainly have the capability to be one of the largest, friendliest, funniest and most mature tactically based gaming communities going.
We have proved this time and time again when we have embraced the server as Squadleaders and Commanders and had those such as Madtommy taking up the role of CO also. We have proved on those occaisions that we can run a server full to the brim with people not just playing a game and having fun. but making friends, having a genuine laugh not a HA we pwned laugh, and playing the game as a unit with Tactics and Teamwork that are ahead of the curve in all respects. playing the game the way its meant to be played and having fun doing it, without crushing those with rules.
I've always believed in this server sooo dam much, chatting with you guys and having a good game really does make my day. Its great when new folk like Gharak and Spartan (though to be fair servers been locked, we're yet to see him...) to be a part of this unique gamestyle.
and countless times people have said it is unique.
Sure there are bad days when it dosnt work or we just don't have the energy for it, and there will be those days where its an ocean of dots floating around the map. However the more we enforce our Namesake and our ideals, and Like I say lead by example the less those days will be as there is more of us and more of the regulars.
Its a great lil world we have ;) lets keep it that way as it grows into a great big world :D
Cain OUT!!!! ***Ties fingers togethersasdaopk,m;lipj
Good grief, all very gaming-philosophy in here isn't it? :p
My tuppence - don't get tooo hooked up on having everyone in pretty lines. I've run pubbie squads on pubbie servers playing against an entire team comprised of clan-based squads acting very technical (any of you ever played against a guy named "Warehouse" from the Tactical Gamer's "6th Devil's Brigade"?). We ran around in mad circles, we all had kits we probably shouldn't've had at some point, and although our side got utterly wrecked, we still had the highest squad score- massively beating the clanned guys.
I've been in Warehouse's "6thDevils" squad on TG and iGi servers a few times, and it's horrible. He's constantly ordering people to certain positions, he's insisting you use kits you're not familiar or good with, and behind it all is "you're lucky to be in my squad - I'll kick you if you're not good enough".
Having said that - when it all clicks together naturally and everyone's doing the best thing- because they WANT to - and it's running smoothly and some guy's taking point, and the squad's giving covering fire... it's beautiful!
What I will say though is that if you want *really* effective squad-based work, get teamspeak set up with 12 guys in TS and use in-game VOIP in addition. Use TS for the in-game squad leaders to communicate, so that everyone else can hear important stuff, and use in-game VOIP for fireteam-level stuff.
It's a blast, when you get it working right.
Jeez Cain - I'm going to need to get more webspace if you write any more!
Can someone summarise this thread into a pie chart please.
Jeez Cain - I'm going to need to get more webspace if you write any more!
Can someone summarise this thread into a pie chart please.
As you require, sah!
http://mental-block.net/images/PR%20playerbase%20breakdown.jpghttp://www.mental-block.net/images/PR_playerbase_breakdown.jpg
At least Epo has his pie chart now :D
Cain you have way too much time on yer hands, but i know what you're saying. As long as i've been with MKP we've always had a laugh from slapping people across the map to just watching Epo run around hte corner shouting on TS "I HAVE A NADE" which is usually your time to leg it or be blown up. Now he has a helo to do it in :eek:
The server has some damn good people showing up on it, and i've been impressed with how it's going, especially with some of the new faces we've been getting.
Even some of the morons we've had have been shot down in flames without myself being called upon to "sort the buggers out" :D, however, Epo my bat and boots are always at your beck and call for some verbal stomping :D.
As for gaming philosophy,: Yes we have oodles of it because we are all rather mad.
In the words of Oddball "woof woof woof"
THIS is why Lancashire is better = /
I have that keyboard too! Don't use the macros really so a bit pointless - looks nice though!
Which keyboard is that please?
Logitech G15 gaming keyboard with glowy keys and a wee lcd screen which, if configured correctly, can tell you how much ammo you have, health squad messages etc. Absolute waste of time Epo, over-priced piece of tat. Looks pretty though, just not usable in most games
commando-101
05-12-07, 14:22
Well-a bit harsh on the G15 there gunny imo
In RTS/RPG it's very good as you can assign macros for often complicated tasks & set timers etc for game events.
Agreed not much use in PR-all it shows me is kills/deaths etc.
Tis poo i tell you. An extra few quid for a wee lcd screen. The G11 is better imo :D and not as ridiculously priced as the G15.
Still have a totally flat keyboard myself
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