[R-CON]Nickbond, Perm ban (qwai river)

[nickbond592]

To whom it may concern (most probably epoch)

i am here to request the unbanning of my account ([R-Con]Nickbond592) from your server. i feel that it was unjust during the circumstances that the game was under, and would like to point out from the chat log that 0i T+T was meant in the nicest possible way,




Quote:
Originally Posted by epoch http://www.realitymod.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f28-pr-server-administration/20648-teamkiller-smacktard-player-reports-9.html#post637194)
Tactics & Teamwork operate a no base rape policy, except for Spec-Ops/Engineers destroying commander assets. This rule is clearly stated during map load, in game, and on our website. We don't have a lot of rules, but we do expect those few that we have to be followed. We want everyone to have a good time on our server. That's why we run it.

In addition, spawn raping/killing is one of those rules that you just don't need to write down. Good gamesmanship dictates that you just don't do it. It's cheap, unfair, and only serves to demonstrate a complete lack of skill, and a far from mature gaming mentality.

So, it's disappointing then, that I have been compelled to permanently ban the following from our server:

[R-CON]Nickbond
Spaz[RGG]
Sgt.Steiner-I.Cross
[PR] NATO|mitchverr
[PR] NATO|airsoft_soldi
[PR]NATO|DonDOOM

You have all demonstrated a clear disregard for rules, and displayed a level of gamesmanship I've never before encountered. Particularly as you're all supposedly 'seasoned' players. You are all an utter disgrace, and bring shame upon yourselves and the tourney some of you represent.

Seriously guys - sniping and nading into main base (when it's not even contestable). Wantonly rampaging around the main killing people who spawn. Destruction of vehicles (not commander assets).

The attached screenies show you all spawn killing/base raping etc. The extract from the chat log below shows you denying it! Sad. Very sad.

[T&T] Gunwitch*UK Team [21:11:01] squad 1 pigfarm is not capable yet please move away
NATO|mitchverr 1 Team [21:11:04] sqd 4 is waiting and watching, not firing at all btw
Spaz[RGG] 1 Team [21:11:12] we are just looking at them we are not attacking
[R-CON]Nickbond 1 Team [21:11:13] Hold your horses were hiding
=DWP= Ayu_Ger 2 Global [21:11:46] GTFO THE MAINBASE !
MuDDyBuLL3tS 2 Global [21:12:49] people still attacking our main
[T&T] =NL=Dogpatch= Global [21:13:10] Squad 4 move away from their main please its still uncapable
[T&T] =NL=Dogpatch= Global [21:13:17] as well as squad
[T&T] =NL=Dogpatch= Global [21:13:18] 1
[R-CON]Nickbond 1 Global [21:13:35] Oi T+T
[T&T] =NL=Dogpatch= Team [21:15:00] Squad 4 move away from their base
00SoldierofFortune00 Global [21:15:01] stop attacking our main, you cant cap it
[T&T] =NL=Dogpatch= Team [21:15:51] squad 4?
NATO|mitchverr 1 Team [21:16:09] we aint shoointg, we are waiting for you lot to cap, but getting shot at anyway http://www.realitymod.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif
[T&T] =NL=Dogpatch= Team [21:16:20] then why are they complaining?
Admin None ServerMessage [21:16:24] KICKING!!! [PR]NATO|DonDOOM Ignoring requests to move back from uncappable
NATO|mitchverr 1 Team [21:16:26] cos there nubs?
[T&T] =NL=Dogpatch= Team [21:16:34] im not gonna discuss this
NATO|mitchverr 1 Team [21:16:58] but we aint base raping

Attached:
tt_qwai_brape.zip - screenies (http://www.tacteam.org/forums/../epoch/bf2/tt_qwai_brape.zip)





Quote:
Originally Posted by [T-ADM]Craichead
Project Reality Forums - View Single Post - Teamkiller/Smacktard Player Reports (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/637194-post323.html)

Heya lads, care to explain what was going on here? I'll be talking to epoch & requesting a demo, but I'd like to hear your side.

Cheers,
Craic.

Hi Craichead (and forwarded to Graye)

i'll answer for myself and spaz also Squidy although he was less involved, these 3 we members of my squad.

the match was going good for the PLA team we had control of processing and had squads attacking mine which was US held my squad (spaz me and squid locked 3 man squad) had been tanking and utilizing the APC, after getting killed we drove from main with the kit loadout Spec ops (spaz) SL (me) and medic (squidy)
We took the a nanjing from main and headed to pig farm via processing, we scaled the back passage and parked the nanjing next to the house on top. Then proceeded to make our way to put a rally point behind pigfarm (around 150m SE to be precise from my memory), it was positioned behind a hill and was well out of sight from the enemy. Spaz with his Spec op kit then proceeded to move in and plant demos on a LB and an APC i went in to help due to myself having bandages and nades, with squid staying up top as top cover and our eyes, after doing minimal damage to the assets (this is where you'll have to check the demo for timings and validity) the flag became contestable due to the capture if Mine, we moved in via the little shack and storage tower SE of pigfarm as its a known spawn and we didnt want any stabs in the back. Before we could reach the flag cap zone the Mine went grey (again a check of the demo will confirm timings and validlity) bearing in mind we we out in the open and attacking a flag we slowly very slowly it must be said (due to enemy presence and the ROE, fire if fired upon ) pulled back via the shack to our rally point, before moving away to the hill route leading to Processing, With the aim of cutting of the road and defending the flag. On the way back we did fire into the flag and surrounding areas due to hostile shots at our positions and also a commander truck tried to move out along the road, when we reached the hill we met more contacts and a Hummvie tow. We engaged and took loses, spawned back at the rally in the SE, but took fire from the pig farm on the way back up the hill. We returned fire and killed americans and dont quote me but i think the round ended before the pigfarm became contestable again.

I am not a deliberate baseraper nor are Squid and spaz, if the flag was not he next in line to be attacked i would not have been there but i could sence that if i was and the flag was contestable which it was for a while the squad would be in a prime position to deliver the final blow to the US, as you can see from the chat log i personally come across as abit brash but am trying to get the point across that we were not engaging the enemy in their spawn but hiding and then moving out but returning defencive fire. ask many people around this community (players, Dev team and your own clan members) for a reference of my personality and play tactics, i have played on your server for many many months without complaint, along with countless other rounds on many other servers.

in my opinion my squad got caught out in a trap with the flag being contestable one minute and not the next, maybe i didn't check the capslock map for a while during the attack i don't know, but we were making attempts to fall back during your Clan members frequent requests whilst following the ROE, maybe i shouldnt have gone in with Spaz on the asset destroying run but is that alone worth a permanent banning?

So there you have my squads version of events and i hope we can get things sorted out sorry for the inconvenience,

Nick bond



And i can make posts quoting Squidy and [R-Dev]Dr Rank if you wish also but to save the bother and web space heres the link

http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f28-pr-server-administration/20648-teamkiller-smacktard-player-reports-9.html

also i belive Grayeknight wishes to have a word regarding the other banned players from the Tourniment:

Airsoft
Spaz
Mitchverr
Dondoom




Regards,

Nick bond.

[Alex6714]

In my opinion nickbond is a great player. We all make mistakes and I have never had any problems playing with nickbond.:) He is just too much of a noob.:p

Anyway, just my 2 cents

[Viglen]

The screenshots clearly show you guys shooting at the main and killing the enemy why the heck would you do that when you know you will get banned

i remember you was a gr8 pilot but as always its up to the other admins

[epoch]

I have sent the BR file off to GrayeKnight.

Nickbond - having watched it (again) it does clearly show you and an RGG guy deliberately going down into Pig Farm from the north and taking out spawning players, including actively seeking them out. You don't make any attempt to conceal yourselves. Pig Farm was not cappable, so that's just not on.

Also, Mitchverr, DonDoom and others can clearly be observed sniping and nading into the base too from the south (they even have a rally there). Again, as the base was not cappable those antics were not acceptable.

We don't ban lightly, and although I personally didn't play that round, I asked those that did (and who made the complaint) to be absolutely 100% sure of their facts before I banned /posted. They tell me they are, so I have no option but to act! I'm sure you understand that.

It's really important to us to have good, seasoned players on the server. Ones who can 'raise the level' of normal public gameplay.

All I want is for those players we kicked to accept they made a mistake, apologise, and let that be the end of the matter. Everyone makes mistakes, and there's no need for this to drag on like this.

Regards
epoch

[Squidy]

I really want to see the BR file myself now. I was 100% convinced that the flag was capable, and then we did withdraw under heavy fire when it became uncap. If we were at the main after it was no longer capable for more than a minute I’ll be surprised, and even more apologetic than at present.

Please can I have the BR file?

-Sorry for double post, couldn't see how to edit my first one to stop it being black on black :S

[mitchverr]

Erm, for starters, we were to the west of the flag.......(only sniping when the flag was ATTACKABLE or to defend when mine was grey(allowed to return fire at this point according to Dev's i think))

[mitchverr]

P.S: you made the misstake mate, i did sod all to apologize for so you can GTF if you think i am going to.

[mitchverr]

If you seriously think i was sniping the base, look at my kills score, sod all from when i got up on that hill(went up 1 or 2 when noob came up to have a fight of-course or when it was cappable). I can use that rifle to kill with 1 shot moving targets at 400m+ depending on visibility, how the hell would i not slaughter then at a couple of hundred?

[Masaq]

Regardless of whether you were or weren't, an attitude of "GTF" is hardly going to endear you to the people you're requesting unban you.

Even if it *was* T&T's mistake, telling us to "GTF" on our own forums in a publically viewable area is pretty much going to ensure that for you, an unban is none too likely. If I thought a server admin had frakked up and wrongly banned me I'd be politely asking that they provide the evidence and then trying to show in what way they were mistaken; the attitude Squidy and NickBond seem to have adopted. On the other hand, you seem to have the attitude that as you think it's T&T's mistake, we should bend over and unban you pronto.

As for Nick and Squidy; the admins will discuss get back to you.

[mitchverr]

Well, i didnt do anything wrong but you expect me to be happy as larry about being banned, i have seen the pics that are so called "eviedence" doesnt prove anything against me, you insulted ME on the pr forums and i quote from the post

"You have all demonstrated a clear disregard for rules, and displayed a level of gamesmanship I've never before encountered. Particularly as you're all supposedly 'seasoned' players. You are all an utter disgrace, and bring shame upon yourselves and the tourney some of you represent."
"Sad. Very sad"

so why the hell should i not return the favour? You cant just sit and insult somebody for no damn reason, how about you think about that.

I would be restraining myself if you guys at least posted on my thread once, it was up 03-24-2008, 07:28 PM, this 1 Yesterday, 11:19 PM , yet no posts....

[mitchverr]

P.S: You should really read my post again, it says " i did sod all to apologize for so you can GTF if you think i am going to." meaning, i aint apologizing. Not insulting, just saying a fact that i aint apologizing for something i didnt do.

[mitchverr]

Also, sorry if you did find that offencive, i found a fair few things you guys have done offencive and blaintent disregard for mannors so i went off on 1.

(is there an edit button here anywhere, because i dont see it)

[commando-101]

Debate on any subject will be conducted in a civil manner.

This subject is clearly still under review & will get resolved in the near future.

[wardlemjw]

mitchverr - whatever the rights or wrongs of all this, your attitude on this thread is not productive, and is doing you more harm than good.

At the end of the day, Epoch can ban who he likes from the server for whatever reason - I would therefore suggest you moderate the content of your posts accordingly - alternatively feel free to play on the other PR servers available

[Spaz]

Hi

Battle recorder files do not show the status of the flags, and at some point this last flag did become capable, which is why two squads attacked it. The text of people, as you say, “denying it!” does not show that they were denying attacking the base at all, but that at [21:11:04] Squad 4 was claiming not to be firing. I wonder if you timed the BR file to this moment?
The claim of squad 1 is that at [21:11:13] they were moving to a “hiding” mode, trying not to be engaged with forces from the main base. This is because at this time we had stopped the attack and were pulling out, because the flag was no longer capable.

Neither squad deny attacking the main base prior to this point in the text, because it was a capable flag, and therefore we were legitimately killing people spawning, and this is what the BR file will show, and where the damming screenshots come from.

The BR file will also show the attackers moving away from the flag after a time. The reason both squads didn’t immediately rush to the Mine should become apparent in the BR file when at this point in time you will see the rest of the team contesting the Mine flag.

If it was not at all possible to capture the Pig Farm flag then any screenshot of someone in the main base would be very damming, but this is not the case.

I am sorry if we didn’t spot that the flag status had changed during our attack, it was certainly not a deliberate ‘base rape’ to my mind, and I would never want to do that. In the future I will try to stay further away from the last flags and be more aware of their status.

Although the public use of terms “an utter disgrace” and claiming that we have brought “shame” to ourselves and the tournament seem to have been jumped to pretty quick with little evidence, of course we don’t know who brought the accusations to you and what was said. If it was claimed that at no point did the Pig Farm become capable then of course you would view the BR footage with horror. That would however be a false claim, unless I’ve totally lost my mind! But I can understand Mitchverr being so upset with his name being publicly tarnished with such strong accusations whilst he strongly (and rightly imo) believes all his kills were legitimate.

You might be able to check with the rest of our team present on the BR file, see if they remember the last flag becoming capable. Otherwise the best way to clarify the evidence would be to time the file to the moment when this text originates, when things may still be a bit mucky, but won’t be proper base rape by any stretch of the imagination. If that’s too difficult then at least you will see an attack go in, and then withdraw.

/Spaz[RGG]


PS: Beacuse of my bad english I got help to put this post togheter but it still my view of the event.

[Gunwitch]

CLOSED

Telling us to GTF is not a good way to sort this out. As far as i'm concerned it's been sorted and i will not have this going off on here whether you think you're right or not. Take it up with Epoch as he is dealing with it and stop being so childish. You were in the wrong deal with it.