Admin abuse

[Guybrush_Creepwood]

Tactics & Teamwork Project Reality server, March 8th, circa 22:40 PM GMT+1.

Let me start off by saying that I enjoy playing on your server and that the incident on does not really influence this experience, just wanted to let you know about it.
Two of your admins, Gunwitch and Masaq, were accusing the HeroS clan about baseraping all the time. Now since I happened to be in the militia team, the same team that HeroS were playing on, I can tell you that they were NOT baseraping but playing the game as it should be. Now, this really is none of my business, but after a couple messages, the text messages cluttering up my display start to become annoying, so I ask the admin in question to stop the whining. Considering HeroS was not baseraping in the first place, I consider this choice of words not inappropriate. However, the response I get is, "Shut the fuck up". This I consider rude.
Some time later, by the end of the round, the argument is still not over. Masaq is wondering whether people can start behaving maturely, to which I place my second response and tell him that I consider whining all round about baseraping is not exactly mature either. Especially considering the fact that noone on the militia team was baseraping in the first place. In response I get kicked for not following admin directions.
Now I suppose you keep server logs, so you can probably read all about it if you so please. Since these kinds of incidents do not seem to be the rule on your servers, perhaps these two admins were just having a bad day, I don't know, but I do not consider this kind of behavior necessary nor mature.


P.S. Does anyone know how to turn of the chat messages, that way I won't feel bugged by this sort of childish intercourse, and might help avoid me getting kicked in the future.

[epoch]

Hi, welcome to our forums.

Thanks for posting. I will look into this for you.

As you probably know, base raping is not allowed on our server. If the admins believe it is happening, then naturally they'll take steps to stop it. We have tried various rules to allow base attacking etc, but they cause so many problems and become an admin nightmare, so the easiest rule is to ban it totally, and take steps to prevent it happening. It's hard to police effectively though, when you can't see where the other team are on the map!

On occasions of course there may be a misunderstanding but on the whole we do our very best to get it right.

I agree that being told to 'shut the fuck up' it not acceptable. Server chat is not logged (no possible in BF2 engine unfortunately) but I'm sure the admin responsible will make contact with me after reading this. Even when we have the most annoying smacktard/TKer running rampant on the server, I expect the admins to maintain a calm and professional disposition when dealing with it. Please accept my apologies for that.

Sorry - I don't know how to disable the text messages, but if you find out please let me know!

I hope you feel happy to rejoin our server, and I hope you enjoy some good rounds on there.

[Katash]

I was playing on that round as British and although I wasn't a victim of any spawn killing myself (Probably because I only spawned at Brit main once or twice) there were alot of British team chat info messages about spawn raping.

I am not a T&T admin nor a T&T member so my unbiased version of events are one of not seeing any admin warnings for anyone to "Shut The F**K up!"

I did however witness alot of smacktardness over text chat from HeroeS members in the following round about how "top spots (presumably scoreboard rankings) are reserved for them.

[Masaq]

Okay Guybrush, here's my side of the story.


We were playing British. There were reports over our teamchat and over commander VOIP that they were getting sniped from Village and at British Main (vehicle spawn).

I asked over Allchat:
"Is there anyone sniping at British Main?".

One of the HeroS players responded by saying that they weren't baseraping, but they had been taking out assets.
I asked that they leave; as we had Train Depot capped and Warehosue was neutral; although advancing on village was okay 5 minutes earlier we had retaken the Depot. In addition, firing on the Brit main (as was being reported) was out of order; on our server main bases are forbidden except for engies and spec ops.

At this point, two things happened:

-Other HeroS guys reported that they were no-where near the British Main.
-Various other Militia players started telling British players to stop whining.

Now, I wasn't moaning throughout the round about baseraping for my own sense of fair play. To be honest, I have very little sympathy with anyone who gets shot at their own main base - they should be spawning on rally points.

However, when your team chat is receiving fairly heavy "I'm getting baseraped" and "admins, do something ffs" comments, as an admin you have to ask "What's going on on the other side?" and hope for a decent answer.

Instead of a decent answer, the HeroS guys started chiming in - some of them in French - with various snarky responses. This is irritating as hell when you're trying to respond to another player's complaint, and unhelpful.

At this point, the HeroS guy acting as commander remarked that it was Squad 1 (non-HeroS) who was firing with his squad into the British main, and that the SL had ignored requests from the CO to pull out.

At this point I told the HeroS guy to give the order again, and if they didn't follow orders then to pass the names across for a kick. This he did; they didn't follow orders; Gunwitch kicked them.

Now, I can't speak for Gunwitch's take on it and why he said "stfu". What I will say for myself is as follows:

1) Do not expect me to ignore cries of "Baserape" all round. If players are reporting rule violations on the server, then they will be responded to. It is not me moaning, it is not me complaining. It is me doing my job as an admin.

2) If I ask who's baseraping and nobody is, then fine - I'll happily tell the guys complaining about it to get on with playing.

3) If somebody IS baseraping - as they were in this case - and refusing to follow orders - as they were in this case - then they should be kicked. I'm sorry but just because you don't like to hear it, that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. I don't particularly like taking time out of gaming to find out what the blazes is happening and then deal with it. I do it because if it isn't done, the game generally starts descending into chaos. Unadmined servers (WTF Kashan 24/7, for example) are a nightmare to play on.

4) If a single clan brings 12+ members onto our server (as the HeroS guys did) then yes, I absolutely expect them to show the T&T admins some respect, and I expect them to show other players on the server some respect. They did neither - despite the fact that they were not baseraping.

Please remember - as I pointed out at the time - that the HeroS guys have their own servers (2 of them that I know of), and yet came onto T&T, all together, all joining the same side, and playing in squads all together. Language barrier is hardly much of a problem; they're quite capable of complaining over global chat in english. They didn't want to play with others, they wants to do their own little thing and get on with it.

I'm sorry, but that's not what this server is supposed to be about; which is about showing good gameplay and decent sportsmanship.


Before Gunwitch told a single player to "stfu", many many more had already told us that we were being idiots etc etc. I'm sorry, but I am inclined to agree with Gunwitch. Telling people who help pay for the server costs, on their Saturday night's gaming, that they should shut the hell up and leave people to whatever they're doing, is highly inconsiderate.

Now, that's my side of events. I didn't kick anybody, I didn't swear at anybody. But I can fully understand why Gunwitch might have felt that it was the best way of getting across his anger at the way people were treating the T&T server.

[Gunwitch]

Now i've calmed down and it's a new morning i shall repost as my original post was a shouting match and i was very very angry.

I totally 100% agree with everything Masaq says. I told Guybrush to STFU AFTER a good 15 - 20 minutes of abuse and slagging off. Yes it was childish, but when you're trying to play and have your side screaming at you to do something and the militia commander telling you who it is, you have to act.

I apologise for telling you Guybrush to stfu, but do not fan the flames and tell me what to do on my server or to stop whining. If something hadn't been done, it would of descended into chaos.
Not once did i accuse HeroS of baseraping.

I apologise - to a degree, but i was trying to play aswell. I'm a gamer and an admin, and while i have to watch the server for smacktards i also like to play and it was nigh on impossible for the clsoing stages of Fool's Road last night.

If it gets that bad again i will most likely react in the same way and the only time to get someone's attention is to tell them to stfu.

When you're head admin of our server, then you can shout at me until then, be helpful instead of telling me to stop whining.

[Guybrush_Creepwood]

Thanks for your answers. I understand that being an admin can be one hell of a job, especially when people start acting up all the time. Since I was playing as militant, I don't know what kind of chat messages/complaints you are getting. On our side however, everything was quite calm. Then a number of messages about baserapers start coming in from the other side, and looking at the map, I find myself confused, because there is noone who is baseraping. As you pointed out however, there were like 10 guys of ours around the british village, which was at the time was uncappable. This is not due to malicious intent but because of poor communications on our side.
This brings me to another problem, which you also partly addressed. I was playing as a squad leader, and as such I need to rely on commander orders for a certain extent, as do all other squad leaders. Our commander being one of the HeroS guys, only spoke french. Upon asking him about it, he apparently has a hard time speaking english, that's why he didn't want to speak english, and since he had two french speaking squads under him, he didn't feel the need to command the rest of the squads. The result, a commander that does not command, squads running over the map without any sort of strategy. Part of the reason we lost the round actually. I find this kind of behavior unacceptable as well. Perhaps you should have a talk with them about this, from one clan to another.
I would like to reiterate though, that it was not my intention to behave disrespectful, I certainly appreciate the amount of time, and money, you put into your servers, which is probably one of the reasons why they are one of the best, if not the best, PR servers around. Seems we all were victimized by a small group of individuals annoying the heck out of us. Anyway, I'll be playing again that's for sure, so see you around, and please don't kick me!! It can be a little frustrating at times!

[Gunwitch]

Swings and roundabouts chap. The round was a good one until all the flak started.

You're more than welcome back on our server and i thank you for your posts.

I would still act the same minus hte swearing with the amount of garbage that was being spewed at us last night from our own side, and it continued onto to the next round, this time with HeroS spewing out demanding this and that because they're so good.

Needless to say they left.

Anyway. All done and dusted now and water under the bridge. As i said, you're more than welcome to our server, last night is not the norm, except for me shouting at people while trying to play :cool:

[HeroS Fragenstein]

Dear TnT Admins, Players,

As you saw with messages above, couples of your admins (TnT members) accuse HeroS members to base rape.
But that's not the object of my post, even if I'm fully agree with Guybrush.

My complain is related to the abusive langage of your admins (TnT members).
When we play on a server we always expect admins to make sure than rules are followed, but this means than Admins follow rules as well.
I know it's sometimes difficult when admins are 12 years old.

Answer for [R-MOD]Masaq's questions:

1) Chat in French:
Some HeroS players does not speak english, that's why we chat in French to explain to our teamates what was going on (HeroS name was in the chat with abusive language and complains).

2) HeroS squads:
We like the teamplay that's why we play together
If you want us to split teams in both side, please let us know via chat, instead of complaining later on your forum.
I guess you know how to use chat, you quite used it well yesterday with abusive langage.

3) Fair game:
We like to play together, but as soon as teams are unbalanced, we split our members or change side in order to have good gameplay and decent sportsmanship (your words).
And yesterday we were 2 squads of HeroS (8 players) in the same team, and the game was balanced, we even lost the game (60 tickets).

[R-MOD]Masaq, I don't like your way to admin servers, but hopefully other TnT players are smarter than u and it's apleasure to play with them.
Your yesterday comportment, is almost a declaration of war, if it's the case we all be ready for a war against you.

[Gunwitch]

DON'T YOU DARE COME ON HERE THREATENING US.
Masaq and myself DID NOT ACCUSE YOU OF BASERAPING, it was others.

Accuse me of 12 years old, i've got enough years behind me thank you very much.
As for abuse, your guys gave as good as they got, aggravated the entire situation AFTER i kicked the NON HEROS squad respinsible for the base raping. And there were no Heros in that squad.

Giving us abuse while we're trying to sort the problem out doesn't help us at all. We had people screaming at us to do something about it and when your commander didn't help, matters got dealt with.

In fact, after the event, HeroS continue slagging us off in french onto the next map demanding slots because you're so good and calling everyone else novices and noobs. Not once did myself or Masaq accuse HeroS of base raping, we spent the best part of the last 20 minutes of that map trying to sort out who was doing what.

Now as for coming on our server and demanding that we let you do what you want, give it up. You have 2 servers yourselves, yet you feel the need to come onto our server and get cocky and use it as your personal playground - it isn't, get over yourselves. I was happy with the way this had turned out this morning, but if i see any of you on our server again demanding the right to do what you want i will kick you.

As for declaring war against us, how childish. It is OUR server, not yours.

So to sum up: Fools Road was a debacle, the offending squad was kicked and HeroS continued to mouth off into the next map AFTER it was sorted.
HeroS members continued to slag us off and everyone else on the server and we retaliated (playground antics here).
Next HeroS members left the server after being told they have no right to demand slots and to do what they want on someone elses server.

You are welcome to our server, however if i ever see any more of last night i will kick again and again.

We pay for our server, not you.

[Gunwitch]

Thread no locked because i'm sick of this. It was sorted.

[epoch]

As you saw with messages above, couples of your admins (TnT members) accuse HeroS members to base rape.

Our admins did NOT accuse HeroS of base rape. It was ANOTHER squad that was attacking the British base. Tu comprends?

My complain is related to the abusive langage of your admins (TnT members)

One admin used abusive language, directed at one non-HeroS player. He has apologised publicly to the player. That is a matter between the player and the admin and has nothing whatsoever to do with you.


When we play on a server we always expect admins to make sure than rules are followed, but this means than Admins follow rules as well.

Nous ne sommes pas des hypocrites.

I know it's sometimes difficult when admins are 12 years old.

Tous les admins ont au moins 20 ans. Veuillez ne pas nous insulter

Some HeroS players does not speak english, that's why we chat in French to explain to our teamates what was going on

Apparently the commander was HeroS and didn't speak English. That's not helpful for the team !!

We like the teamplay that's why we play together
If you want us to split teams in both side, please let us know via chat, instead of complaining later on your forum.

3) Fair game:
We like to play together, but as soon as teams are unbalanced, we split our members or change side in order to have good gameplay and decent sportsmanship (your words).
And yesterday we were 2 squads of HeroS (8 players) in the same team, and the game was balanced, we even lost the game (60 tickets).

We appreciate that. That's the way we like people to play.


[R-MOD]Masaq, I don't like your way to admin servers, but hopefully other TnT players are smarter than u and it's apleasure to play with them.

Masaq is in fact very smart, and I trust him 100% when he's admining our server. Please do not insult my admins.